Newsletter #942

A terrific start to the season saw us come away from Charlton with all 3 points in a 0-3 victory (Anelka, Sibby and Jihai on the scoresheet).

No match reports from Charlton tonight, but we do have a review of our recently departed Goat’s first game for Reading and farewells to SuperKev who has joined West Ham.

Unfortunately we have more disturbing tales of ticketing woes tonight, including duplicated tickets, which is a great concern, and the website saga continues.

The results section is of course back tonight, and we’re 3rd for the moment. Premiership new boys Pompey are the visitors for our opening league game on Saturday. If anyone fancies doing a match report, please send it in to the usual address.

Next game: Portsmouth, home, 3pm Saturday 23 August 2003


A match review for Shaun’s home début for Reading; part one of an intermittent series this season…

Being a Blue in exile (living in Reading), I decided to go along on Saturday to see the great man make his home début. He lined up spearheading a fairly attack-minded Reading team, partnering Nicky Forster up front with new signing Scott Murray tucking in from the right.

I was not the only Blue in the ground, and had a beer with a fellow Blue/Reading dweller beforehand, who like many of us was sad to see him go, and was wearing a new home shirt with Goater 10 on the back in reverence.

I think it’s fair to say the Goat seemed a bit rusty, not surprising as he doesn’t have too many matches under his belt from the last few months, but he was in typical poaching form, challenging for every ball, nice link up play – perhaps a bit too much, not yet prepared to be greedy enough whilst he gets to know his teammates, looked a bit laboured in the second half, but did enough to have a toe poke disallowed, and a nice début goal from a lovely though ball.

Typical Goat really, thriving on service, and always around the box. Having watched Reading at the end of last season, he is going to be a great buy for them; indeed, when it became clear he was on his way, I hoped he would join, as he is exactly what they were missing.

So for Goat fans, he is getting back to his old ways – did anyone doubt it – and I feel confident another 20+ goal season is on the cards for him. Watch out, Reading absolutely creamed Forest, and outplayed Ipswich last week, both of them likely contenders. At this rate, the Goat may get at least one run out at our new home… just one season late.

Ian Barton (


I’m sure lots of readers will write in saying thanks to Kevin Horlock. He was my man of the season when we came up from Division 1. Realising that he couldn’t compete against either Ali or Berko for the creative rôle in midfield, he developed a holding rôle for himself. This allowed Ali and Berko to dominate other teams’ midfielders. We were always in trouble when Super Kev was injured for a long spell (when getting relegated from Division 1 and the Premiership with JR). I wish him all the best – a good, solid, undemanding player for the Blues.

I see on Teamtalk that City have had an offer from Malaga for Paulo. I made a prediction to my brother in New Zealand that One-chop would either be sold off or be first choice striker (with Anelka) by the end of the season. I just hope it’s not the former but fear with his injury record City might just let him go.

Ian Burgess (


Just a quickie from a first timer on MCIVTA – the stadium is wonderful, the new signings look good, but to see Shaun and SuperKev go is a little bit sad. Enough has been said about the unforgettable Goat, but Kevin has been my second favourite player through the dark days. A few people around me in the Kippax never took to him but he has been an unsung hero – he got the first at Wembley [often forgotten]; he had the balls to take the first penalty; without him Ali wouldn’t have won the First Division for us; and amongst this there has been hard work, goals and the sweetest left foot in the business.

Good luck Kev – you were always going to be behind Bosvelt and Barton in the pecking order and a nice trip home to West Ham should suit you – thanks.

Who is the longest serving player now? SWP?

Rob Culpin (


I tried to get MCFCTV but failed because you need to use Windows Media 6.4; Windows 95 and NT use 6.4. My system is Windows XP and uses the latest Windows Media 9.0. MCFCTV tells you to go and download the Windows 6.4. But Windows 6.4 is not for XP. Pity there is not a system for all PC systems. So I can’t get MCFCTV.

The way I see it 6.4 is Maine Road, and 9.0 is City of Manchester Stadium.

Now I’m no computer geek, and maybe I am at fault somewhere; if anyone out there has a solution please let everyone know – I feel that I probably am not the only one with this situation.

Because I was having difficulties not being able to get MCFCTV, within the MCFCTV website I went to “Help” and sent an E-Mail (you don’t have to type in an address, you just press E-Mail); not long later it came back to me “Mailer Daemon” returned mail, user unknown.

Is there someone from the “Evil Empire” running MCFCTV?

The radio, however, was excellent for the Charlton game, quality was very good using Real Player.

Ernie Barrow (


Just a quick mention about the goings on at the TNS game in light of recent mutterings regarding the new stadium.

Apparently there were several thousand unable to get in for the kick-off time due to both the new swipecard and the fact that UEFA do not allow the consumption of alcohol during their ties, so anyone fancying a beer would have to drink in bars outside of the stadium perimeter.

Worse than this though was the opening of just (to my knowledge) 3 food outlets in the North Stand. The one I went to had 5 people serving about 150 people at a time with no concept of queues and just one solitary cornish pasty on view.

It doesn’t take a genius to work out that the production bins should be full of food prior to fans coming onto the concourse at half time.

Aside from this the game was encouraging.

Seaman admired the stadium for the whole game and had nothing to do apart from acknowledging the wolf whistles when some ointment was applied to his legs.

Tarnat looks an excellent left back with a tremendous long passing range and fierce shot, which could add much needed quality to our set pieces.

Faller looked woefully short of fitness and it will be a travesty if Paulo doesn’t start against Charlton. Anelka didn’t seem as interested as against Barça and was perhaps saving himself for tougher games.

Man of the match once again though was SWeeP. If he can find the net regularly then he must be knocking on the England door as defenders have no idea how to play him.

Finally, not sure why fans are diverted about half a mile from the stadium by police on exit. Is this for security purposes only I assumed the away fans were on the opposite side of the ground, not even remotely near the diversion.

I’d put money on Di Canio finding the net but I reckon we’ll get a point on Sunday.

Mark Derbyshire (


I’d like to pick up on comments made about the ticket office.

I’ve never posted applications to them before because it was always convenient for me to drop them off personally. After my experience in applying for both Charlton and Blackburn tickets I won’t be posting them again.

I posted separately applications for the above games on 29 July. Getting a little concerned that my tickets hadn’t arrived for Charlton by the middle of last week (I knew I should get them because they were now on sale to people with less loyalty points than me) I decided to try to call the Ticket Office. I thought trying to call my wife during the week was frustrating but the constant engaged tone was doing my head in! On finally being lucky enough to get through I then had to wait for over half and hour to speak to someone. The nice lady told me they had received my Blackburn application (still not received ticket at the time of writing) but they had no record of my Charlton application – nice. Could be one of two things, it hadn’t been received or they’d lost it – for some reason I cynically chose the latter!

Fortunately for me there were still some tickets left and if I got my @rse there sharpish I should get a ticket. Unfortunately I work in Bradford (Yorkshire) and would only be able to go there on my way home from work. Fortunately if I was in the queue before 5pm they wouldn’t turn me away. Unfortunately I got there in time and joined the queue behind about 500 people! Fortunately most of them wanted to buy tickets for the TNS game. Unfortunately there wasn’t a separate window available for “other” games. Fortunately after nearly two hours of queuing I got my tickets!

Fans are going to have to get used to the notion that there are now more of us going for tickets and maybe not leave it until the last minute. Having said that the club need to be more pro-active and perhaps open the ticket office for longer hours closer to the game.

God knows what is going to happen with my Blackburn ticket but I can see myself making a second trip this week. We have 7,000 allocated for this game and we’ll struggle to take half that if they don’t hurry up and get their act together. I can’t understand why they are struggling but hopefully this won’t go on for too long.

Graham Keller (


I’ve just had my first experience of the City of Manchester Stadium, with a trip to watch the TNS game last week. My Citycard holding friend Rob was able to secure six tickets for the match by attending the Ticket Office in person (cheers for that Rob!). The stadium was more than I could have hoped for. It is stunning. Inside, I spent the whole game looking round with wide eyes – you can’t quite believe that it’s our stadium. We were perched in a corner in ‘N’ block, and the view is amazing – not a pillar, perspex wall or seagull in sight. I think someone else said this, but the roof keeps the sound in like Wembley used to do, so the 34,000 in there made a great noise. What it will be like with 48,000 in, for an important game, you can only image. Bring on the Traffordites say I!

I thought the Smartcard ticket worked well to get you in, and the queues moved quickly. At the end, swift exits were possible, and walking down the San Siro-style helter skelters on the way out was a bit of a giggle.

My major concern relates to the ticketing for the new stadium. On arrival inside the ground, imagine the surprise we had when we found a group of spectators already occupying our seats. What really perturbed me was they too had genuine looking smart cards with the same match and seats details printed upon them. Luckily, I’d told my mate to bring his till receipt for the tickets he’d bought, so the interlopers left ‘our’ seats fairly speedily. Five minutes of the game had elapsed when a second group of people attempted to claim our seats.

Once again, this group had apparently genuine match tickets with them. I did notice that one of this group, all in their 20’s I’d say, were sporting junior tickets. These gentlemen were less inclined to sit elsewhere, despite the fact that we had the till receipts, while they could only vaguely talk of “a friend at the club supplied the tickets to us”. My friend Rob then approached a steward, who said to him “Why don’t you find somewhere else to sit”, which was not I feel a helpful attitude. Eventually they realised that we were not about to relinquish our legitimate claim to the seats and went elsewhere. My concern is that both groups of spectators had what appeared to be genuine tickets. I can think of two reasons why this might happen – one, that there has been a problem at the ticket office, and somehow the tickets were not just double, but triple booked. Two, which might be a more worrying still, that someone’s already cloning these smart cards. There also seems to be a loophole allowing adults to enter on junior tickets – I didn’t see any stewards checking for this, either outside or inside the ground. I sincerely hope that the club review their ticketing arrangements, because clearly something is not right at the moment.

On the pitch, I thought City played it just right, did just enough to build a comfortable tie-winning lead. TNS played nine man defence, but hey what do you expect? MoM for me was little Shaunie – he ran what legs he has off for the cause. Robbie Fowler on the other hand, continues to enrage me – KK claims he’s nearly at match fitness, almost there etc. But apart from a bright-ish opening 20 minutes, he struggled to keep up (against a Welsh League team for goodness sake!). Berko disappointed as well. Perhaps he’s already dreaming of snuggling up to ‘Arry at Pompey. Tarnat and Bosvelt both played solidly, never making mistakes – don’t think we’ll miss Jensen at all at left back. Tarnat’s distribution is impressive at times – he hit a couple of juicy cross field balls, so methinks he’ll do OK.

Don Barrie (


Mainly to do with me reading the latest issue of MCIVTA 941.

I’ve decided to answer “en masse” in my own humble opinion rather than what I normally do, which is send a quick but hopefully helpful email to fellow McVitee readers.

I’m seeing regular questions such as these:

  1. Parking. I got myself a season ticket for £57 for Ravensbury St School(which is off Bank St and just behind the Velodrome) and as far as I canmake out they still might have spaces. On the there is a list of Accredited Car Parks, many within a 5 minute walk of thestadium. I just got on the phone, sent a cheque and an SAE and the dayafter my pass arrived, easy as that. As for people parking as far away asGrimshaw Lane – flippin eck! You can also get away from here far easier ifyou live to the north side of Manchester as there is zero traffic up BankStreet/Ten Acres Lane.
  2. I too heard the Police Commissioner on GMR this week mentioning theclosure of roads after the match. She assures listeners that this is forsafety reasons, and I don’t blame her. Someone was hit by a dodgy motorwith no number plate on after the Barça game, and police are quite rightlyensuring people are crossing via proper pedestrian crossings rather thanrisk their lives on Alan Turing Way and Ashton New Road.
  3. Lack of pubs – what lack of pubs? There are dozens. Venture downGrey Mare Lane, (Mary D’s etc.) back up Alan Turing Way towards HulmeHall Lane and Bradford Road (Spanking Roger/Stadium) up Ashton New Roadthere is not only the Derby, but The Grove, the Victoria and the Blue Moon(Clayton Lane). Fortunately I grew up in East Manchester so I know thearea very well. I didn’t think there was a problem for drinking atall. Although the ones closest to the ground are operating membershipschemes there is no such thing in place at the Blue Moon. And a crackinglittle boozer it is and all.
  4. Lack of a scoreboard at Eastlands. I’m scratching my head at thisone (I nearly lost count of the goals myself at the TNS game). I think thearchitects want shooting, they have missed so many things that should havebeen included in the stadium design (see car parking, only 3,000 spacesbut a bl**dy table tennis centre on site instead?). As for the oldscoreboard from Maine Road, it was auctioned off. Ridiculous. Anotherthing is the team are walking out onto the “new hallowed turf” but have theclub also auctioned off the MCFC Logo bit of carpet that they walkedover? A terrible lack of identity at the stadium. I fear this hassomething to do with the lease and that there is a 12-month period in whichthe club cannot erect signs etc. However, SportCity Living occupy aprominent position right at the corner of the South Stand. Money-spinnersfor Manchester City Council appear to be more of a priority.
  5. Bar Service – disgraceful. And I mean that in the context that Iwitnessed one of the bar staff removing a bottle top from a bottle of”Powerade” with her teeth before handing it to a customer (NorthStand). Needless to say I duly reported it to one of the duty managers onthe concourse. Basic health and hygiene has gone amiss, never mind cold pies.
  6. Berkovic – I have it on good authority (and have done for a while) thathis house has been taken off the market. Indeed, I mailed this info forpublication to our usually reliable sub-editor Spider but he ignoredit. Never mind. He’s going nowhere and I am now glad that people appearto be off his back. It’s not the first time we have had to deal with amard-arse.
  7. Kevin Cummins’ book. Absolutely superb. I have always been a fan ofKevin’s work and indeed got the rare opportunity to work with him for a day(back in 1990) when I was a photographer’s assistant, for an NMEphotographer. He has captured the fans in a delightful way and clearlythrough the eyes of a Blue. Unfortunately I must upbraid him as my hubbyappears in the book with an empty seat to his right. I sit to the left ofmy hubby on Row 1 Platt Lane/North Stand and I am miffed that I was “cutoff”. So much for 15 minutes of fame. I feel that the Club should havegiven Kevin 2 seasons’ work, one book on the last season at Maine Road andanother book detailing our first season at our new stadium, they would havefit together well in my opinion.

But my own moan of the week has to go to City for not printing anywhere near enough programmes for the TNS game. Due to the usual Smartcard farce we got in the ground at 7.45pm (fortunately we have not experienced any problems ourselves yet) and all programmes were sold out. When we went into the Reebok City shop after the game they too had sold out. The cashier informed me that the shop had only been given 750 copies to sell. Given that the club were fully aware of how many tickets they had sold and that the TNS programme would be highly sought after, why so few copies? Do I have to resort to spending far in excess of the face value for one off E-Bay?

That’s all folks. Let’s hope for a rare 3 points at the Valley this weekend and those of you going to Reading to cheer the Goat on – big it up for him!

P.S. Mexican Wave – embarrassing. What next? Big foam hands and jester’s hats? We are not Gilllingham. Give it up.

Helen Hardman (


We’ve just played the weakest side we may ever see at the new stadium and I managed to keep count of the score. So why do we need a scoreboard?

Oh, I know; so we could all complain that it was displaying adverts for naff companies like Brother, First Advice, Thomas Cook…

Or maybe it would be a nice diversion from the match like timing how long it takes the guy behind the bar to pour a pint.

Are we not in danger of becoming consumers instead of football fans; isn’t that what the other lot are supposed to be about?

And Charlton away next! Got to drive to the other side of London and put up with overpriced undercooked chips, an outdoor bar, no leg room, queue for the toilets… Just as well we’re not soft Southerners. A valuable day’s moaning will probably get interrupted by a football match again, damn it!

John Clancy (


A request for all street cred City fans please let’s not start calling our magnificent new stadium “Blue Camp”; it’s so embarrassing. I even hear KK was warming to the name. Let’s nip it now before the away fans hear about it or we’ll be a laughing stock. I can picture it now, all those limp wristed hands going up when we sing “Super City, we are City from Blue Camp”. Let’s just stick with Eastlands or COMSTAD, they sound so much better.

Andrew Groome – Cajun Blue (


Blue Camp, Blu Camp, Even Bleu Camp – Tacky.

COMSTAD – Some sort of Eastern European defence alliance.

Eastlands – sounds like a shopping mall.

As for me and mine, we will always be City from Maine Road.

Michael Cavanagh (


With the prices in the transfer market going mad, why doesn’t KK look at James McFadden at Motherwell? He is young, an international player and scored a lot of goals in last year’s poor Motherwell team that finished at the bottom of the SPL.

He is looking for a move and I’m sure that his club need the money.

Malcolm Clelland (


Why doesn’t someone in the marketing department use their noddle, spend a few quid and make all card holders happy by supplying us, as we enter the ground, with a small logo/badge embossed plastic card holder for our cards! Mine is in my main credit card wallet, which now seems to contain about 20 different cards and is too thick to usually take to the ground! It makes sense to have a simple, small, wallet (maybe even with fixtures printed on them). These things cost pennies to produce but the goodwill goes a long way. Come on Blues, get your act together.

[Good idea Joe, we’ve had plastic wallets for our season tickets in the past so this should not have posed a problem – Ed]

Joe Ramsbottom (


Like to thank all those who offered tickets for the Charlton game. As it happened two tickets arrived from the city on the Friday morning.

Can anyone remember a better first opening day away game?

My personal favourite will always be sitting in a City shirt in the home section of the Clock End watching City go do down 3-0 to Arsenal as Uwe got sent off.


Andrew Goodman (


I know this is a long shot, but I am looking for two tickets for the Portsmouth game. I am flying in to Manchester from Australia for my dad’s 70th birthday, he is a life-long City supporter and is a bit under the weather with his health at the moment. It would be a great thrill to get to the game in the new stadium with him and celebrate his birthday with a win over Pompey.

Lee Farrell (


Can anybody recommend a good pub in Norwich or Gt. Yarmouth to watch the Blackburn game. Some sort of real ale would be a plus!



17 August 2003

Charlton Athletic     0 - 3  Manchester City       25,780
Leeds United          2 - 2  Newcastle United      36,766
Liverpool             1 - 2  Chelsea               44,082

16 August 2003

Birmingham City       1 - 0  Tottenham Hotspur     29,358
Portsmouth            2 - 1  Aston Villa           20,101
Arsenal               2 - 1  Everton               38,014
Blackburn Rovers      5 - 1  Wolverhampton Wndrs   26,270
Fulham                3 - 2  Middlesbrough         14,546
Leicester City        2 - 2  Southampton           31,621
Manchester United     4 - 0  Bolton Wanderers      67,647

League table to 17 August 2003 inclusive

                             HOME          AWAY        OVERALL
                    P  W  D  L  F  A  W  D  L  F  A  W  D  L  F   A   GD Pts
 1 Blackburn R.     1  1  0  0  5  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   5   1   4   3
 2 Manchester Utd   1  1  0  0  4  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   4   0   4   3
 3 Manchester City  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  3  0  1  0  0   3   0   3   3
 4 Fulham           1  1  0  0  3  2  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   3   2   1   3
 5 Arsenal          1  1  0  0  2  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   2   1   1   3
 6 Chelsea          1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  2  1  1  0  0   2   1   1   3
 7 Portsmouth       1  1  0  0  2  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   2   1   1   3
 8 Birmingham City  1  1  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0   1   0   1   3
 9 Leeds United     1  0  1  0  2  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0   2   2   0   1
10 Leicester City   1  0  1  0  2  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0   2   2   0   1
11 Newcastle Utd    1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  2  2  0  1  0   2   2   0   1
12 Southampton      1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  2  2  0  1  0   2   2   0   1
13 Middlesbrough    1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  2  3  0  0  1   2   3  -1   0
14 Aston Villa      1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  2  0  0  1   1   2  -1   0
15 Everton          1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  2  0  0  1   1   2  -1   0
16 Liverpool        1  0  0  1  1  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1   1   2  -1   0
17 Tottenham H.     1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  1  0  0  1   0   1  -1   0
18 Charlton Ath.    1  0  0  1  0  3  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1   0   3  -3   0
19 Wolves           1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  5  0  0  1   1   5  -4   0
20 Bolton Wndrs     1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  4  0  0  1   0   4  -4   0

With thanks to Football 365

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[0] MCIVTA Addresses

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[1] What are MCIVTA’s publishing deadlines?

Deadlines for issues are nominally 6pm, Monday and Thursday evenings.

[2] MCIVTA Back Issues and Manchester City Supporters’ home page is the unofficial Manchester City Supporters’ home page. Created in 1994, it is the longest running of the Manchester City related web sites. Back issues of MCIVTA are also hosted on the site.

[3] What is the club’s official web site?

The official club web site can be found at

[4] What supporters’ clubs are there?

Manchester City FC recognises three supporters’ clubs: The “Official Supporters Club” (; the “Centenary Supporters’ Association” ( and “The International Supporters’ Club” (

[5] Where can I find out about the fans’ committee?

The Fans’ Committee operates as an interface between supporters and the club. It has its own website, containing info about forthcoming meetings as well as minutes from previous gatherings.

[6] Where can I find information about our new stadium?

The latest information regarding our new home can be found at

[7] What match day broadcasts are available on the web?

Live match commentaries and archives of games, reports and interviews can be found here: An alternate live commentary service, hosted by Yahoo, is located at:

[8] Where can I find out if City are live on satellite TV? provides a listing of Premiership games being shown on UK domestic and foreign satellite channels. A good site for North American viewers is

[9] What’s the music the teams run out to?

The music we run out to at Maine Road is “Nightmare” by Brainbug and is available on the Positiva label.

[10] Do we have a Usenet newsgroup?

Yes we do: is our home on usenet. If you are not familiar with usenet, a basic explanation is available here:,289893,sid9_gci213262,00.html

[11] Do any squad members have their own web pages?

There are a number available and direct links can be found at

[12] Can I buy shares in the club?

Yes you can: Shares in Manchester City PLC are traded on OFEX. The latest prices can be on found the OFEX web site (registration required) or in the business section of the Manchester Evening News.

[13] Acknowledgements

Thanks go to John Arnold for providing the match day music information, to Ian Bell for pointing out the alternate live match commentary service and to Damian Quinn, Stephen Webb and Roger Haigh for the Satellite TV info.

The views expressed in MCIVTA are entirely those of the subscribersand there is no intention to represent these opinions as being thoseof Manchester City Football Club, nor of any of the companies anduniversities by whom the subscribers are employed. It is not inany way whatsoever connected to the club or any other relatedorganisation and is simply a group of supporters using this mediumas a means of disseminating news and exchanging opinions.

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